> * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? If I had not already packed my 1893 Guide in preparation for moving, I could give you the name of each road. Retirees may not work at BNSF any longer, but many are active in their communities and play an important role as unofficial ambassadors for BNSF. But I hear it is coming. Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. BNSFs Public Projects team is the point of contact for the communities we serve when they desire to deliver infrastructure projects that cross, intersect, or parallel BNSFs network in some way. Here there be cats. There are quite a few who live in central Iowa and drive 200 miles to work the pool. Thanks in advance! One thing to remember is there are some long and some short pools. Here we demonstrate how BNSF's legacy makes us confident in our future. This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. The railroad is run as an East-West route. Otherwise there is a pool that runs straight through Savanna to Cicero and also a pool out of La Crosse to Galesburg. "However, just last week, I sat down in Guernsey for 27 hours in the hotel waiting to come home.". Find the right person to help you with your retirement benefit questions, including health insurance, the Employee Assistance Program and payroll. On the CPR, in Canada, the longest crew district is the Brooks Sub. Staying at one of the lodging motels can be interesting, but I wouldnt suggest being too inquiring these days. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. Correct on the Rawlins/Green River crew change. The last time we were in Albany, werode back to the station with a road crew in the van, and I engaged in some conversation with them. Re: BNSF Crew Change Points Author: BN7149 The railroad is run as an East-West route. Something unheard of even 5 years ago, just before the bottom dropped out. For instance, Sanford, Florida, was the south end of one railroad and the north end of another; both roads were absorbed by the Plant System--which went into the Atlantic Coast Line. BNSF crew changes: * Denver east: used to be in Akron, CO, but I think they moved it all the way out to McCook, NE. Satellite view on Google maps shows a lot of empty lots in the town and I guess that the population may have been 300 to 500 at its peak. showing freights running at 50+ MPH between Miles City and Harlowton, which would put the start to stop time at a bit over 4 hours. Helpers cut off at Palmer Lakeor Colorado Springs (Grain trains). All Rights Reserved. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. The project required the company to move about 3.6 million tons of rock, lay 5 miles of new track, and build nine new bridges with a combined length of about 3,000 feet. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. Log in to get the latest information on your invoices, payments and purchase orders. Rail is the most environmentally efficient mode of surface transportation and at BNSF we are committed to improving the efficiency of our network in a way that benefits both our customers and the environment. Some are overlays on existing crew districts for certain type trains, intermodal for example. Each employee begins with 30 points for a career, Knutson said. Extra lanes mean traffic flows better. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll. It just affects the waythe train crew's pay is calculated. Find the right person at BNSF to help you. In February, BNSF instituted an attendance policy known as Hi-Viz, which drew immediate criticism from employees and railroad unions. Railroad systems are divided into subdivisions, usually between crew change points. No, Rawlins is still a crew change point for all trains 50 mph and less. We offer a library of downloadable files, forums to exchanges messages, news and more. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. I believe it was cptrainman of the "Hunter, . (200+ miles?). I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. Kevin Knutson is a Gillette-based conductor and union leader who has worked for the railroad for over 40 years. But she added that incentive ultimately rewards those who take little, if any, time off and who don't need the points anyway. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. They needed the people because they didn't have them.". In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. * Denver northeast: Sterling, CO? Under the new policy, which is slated to. They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. We see this very often here. Also Portal, ND and Noyes, MN, but that is because thay are also Country change points(Canada/US border). If going via the old C&S/FW&D its Trinidad, Texline, Amarillo,then Wichita Falls.If going via C&S to Trinidad and then ATSF it would be aC&S crew to Trinidad, then ATSF crew to Raton then Albuquerque. Usually, the two crew districts that abutted became one double-ended district. A couple less employees to receive benefits. Here we highlight stories centered on our safety culture and why it is ingrained in everything we do. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. -- Steve Holmes, Steve Holmes Productions (helping companies communicate through award-winning video)Iowa City, IA, USAhttp://www.shpvideo.com My address: sigerson "at" inav "dot" net (replace "" words withsymbols). When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. Railroading is a big world filled with impressive and interesting people. Or, did they get rid of it because there was too much congestion / delays east of Clinton? Allan_Love_Jr Aug 26, 2007. I guess you're right. Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. But we don't just move freight; we touch people and communities along the way. The last time we were in Albany, werode back to the station with a road crew in the van, and I engaged in some conversation with them. As trains have become faster, many intermediate terminals have been dissolved, with the trains running through. The Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF) is the largest Class I railroad in the country and is one of the two major freight railroads in Wyoming. (Which I don't happen to remember.). I hear talk about crews having to be changed because trains are late and their time is up, that doesn't seem to go by mileage. All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. BNSF moves about a third of all intermodal volume in North America. Then run pools (through Clinton) to Missouri Valley (hot intermodals only), to Boone (everything else), and pools to Des Moines and Mason City. Wondering where the crew change points are on the BNSF from Chicago to the Twin Cities on the Aurora and St. Croix Subs? Then in 1972 (after the HOS was changed to 14 hours, Dec. 26, 1970) the company decided to open up an inter-divisional run fromLA to San Luis Obispo), and have us do it in 14 hours, which really worked good. Othello, WA to Tacoma, WA, running thru Cle Elum was also instituted. This was indicated by a bold type stripe across the page for every train at Bassano. (While not directly owned, supposedly the ownership has ties to the UP.) 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(Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). Remember, in the time when the basic crew agreements and the 100 mile day were originated,when after the implementation of the Hours of Service laws - those laws had a maximum on duty time of 16 hours - 16 hours for a 100 mile run equals 6.25 MPH. Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. For instance, Sanford, Florida, was the south end of one railroad and the north end of another; both roads were absorbed by the Plant System--which went into the Atlantic Coast Line. TEXAS, USA On Tuesday, a federal judge in Fort Worth granted BNSF, one of the nation's largest freight companies, a temporary restraining order, blocking nearly 17,000 employees from striking. Back when there were foru passenger trains each way on the division,except for the City of New Orleans, passenger train crews changed southbound (the City train crews changed northbound), ran to New Orleans (Canton), then ran through McComb to Canton (New Orleans), and then back to McComb, covering 400 miles in 24 hours (and then had 24 hours off). Note that the Puget Sound Extension and the WP were built in the 1905-1910 time frame and train speeds were up significantly from 30 to 40 years earlier. We're proud to tell our story and how we strive to be a trusted partner worthy of your respect. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. You there, Mr. Lee? All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. I can remember when the "featherbedding" talk began, about needing to keep crews in the trains longer because the trains were faster and did they really need three men in the cab and two in the rear. "The Hi-Viz was only partially responsible for them getting people back. We enable our customers to participate in a wide range of markets in North America and around the world. Job Location: Mandan Other Potential Locations: Mandan, ND Anticipated Start Date: 04/10/2023 Number of Positions: 20 Salary Range: Entry rate is approx. This BNSF rail division sees some of the highest tonnage freight traffic in the world (over 100 million tons annually. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. Thanks in advance for your help.Ken Stitzel wrote: You do not have permission to delete messages in this group. Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? This is via La Junta,they can't go via Trinidad. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. In days past, the away terminal was often a remote hamlet in between two cities. Other changes on the PCE were Alberton, MT to St. Maries, ID and St. Maries, ID to Othello, WA. Seems like I'm missing at least 1 (maybe btwn Clovis and KC?). Some crew change points were simply the points at which one railroad had a junction with another. Here are> some places I know they run helpers at least occassionally:> > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake. So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll. Stay current with what BNSF is doing to operate a safe rail network, on our network, in the communities through which we operate and the services we offer. LION *knows* that Mandan is a crew change point, but Dickinson is so no longer, and the next crew change point is Glendive, MT. Then run pools (through Clinton) to Missouri Valley (hot intermodals only), to Boone (everything else), and pools to Des Moines and Mason City. That's in addition to the $3.3 billion we invested between 2013 and 2017. .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. I though I saw articles in the mainstream press in the '80's that they were extending crew districts from east of Spokane, WA, across the Idaho panhandle, and over onto the flatland's of Montana. This was indicated by a bold type stripe across the page for every train at Bassano. Welcome to the BNSF Railway at Edgemont South Dakota website. Don't forget BNSF's Southwest Chief line. Recognizing our contribution to our nation's economy, we work to listen and respond to customers' needs, maintain strong corporate governance, provide value to investors, and strategically invest to keep our rail network strong. "And as far as working 40 hours per trip, again what they're not telling you is, yes, we may be on a train for seven to eight hours going to our destination or back," she said. Seven miles west is Minot, North Dakota, an Amtrak station stop where all trains change crews. 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I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. "I honestly hope that this isn't going to be the new normal because people are walking out faster than we can hire them on," said Goodson. Can someone in road service choosewhich pool to work in? On the CPR, in Canada, the longest crew district is the Brooks Sub. I thought I read that UP phased out Rawlins, and all trains go throughto Green River from Cheyenne. A fourth-generation Northeast Wyoming native, Hugh joined Wyoming Public Media in October 2021 after studying and working abroad and in Washington, D.C. for the late Senator Mike Enzi. showing freights running at 50+ MPH between Miles City and Harlowton, which would put the start to stop time at a bit over 4 hours. Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. (I've heard about helpers living in Tabernash but don't know if that's a permanent thing or not. "The Belen cutoff was established in 1908 and that was really the first major enhancement," explained Craig Rasmussen, assistant vice president, Engineering Services and Structures. I haven't heard of this in a long time, so maybe this was a failed idea. If I'm wrong, the UP guys will probably weigh in, but on the OverlandRoute east of Cheyenne, I believe the closest crew change points are inNorth Platte and Fremont, Nebraska and in Boone, Iowa. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. Originally theyhad the hot trains, with the lesser ones going to the short pool. Some are overlays on existing crew districts for certain type trains, intermodal for example. If I had not already packed my 1893 Guide in preparation for moving, I could give you the name of each road. The "run through"was established in 1970, not too long before I started my railway career with CP in that area. I just remembered, while sitting in the Oak Tree Inn at Clinton, IA, that they are the UP's contracted provider for crew lodging away from home. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. ?La Junta then Dodge City if going to Kansas CityLa Junta then Amarillo if going to Texas or New Mexico.Except AMADEN & DENAMA also change at Boise City because theydo local work. Raton, NM??? She apologized andI pardoned her and let her go on to wherever it was she needed to go quickly. Jeff, can you tell us the reason for having the two pools (short and long)? The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. I guess he's got a point because all the trains stopat such places. This line is known as the Seligman Subdivision, and stretches between Winslow, AZ, and Needles, CA, both of which are crew change Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Remember, in the time when the basic crew agreements and the 100 mile day were originated,when after the implementation of the Hours of Service laws - those laws had a maximum on duty time of 16 hours - 16 hours for a 100 mile run equals 6.25 MPH. The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. So if you want to rub elbows with train crews while you travel, the Oak Tree is the place to do it. BNSF needles to Winslow. BNSF Editor CTC Board Magazine [ Reply To This Message ] Date: 01/10/02 19:00 Thanks Author: dbm. By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our, Get our weekly newsletter delivered to your inbox. Scribd is the world's largest social reading and publishing site. Find the right person at BNSF to answer your question by filling out our form. > * Pueblo east: ?? Also Geographically the Twin Cities would be north of La Crosse what does BNSF consider it (are trains from Chicago to the twin Cities northbound or westbound?) It would mark a dramatic change to a labor contract that covers about 3,000 workers, or 60 percent of the BNSF system. Log in to the Employee Portal to access safety rulebooks, pay and benefits information, sign up for training opportunities and more. The railroad said they made no changes to how much time off an employee receives. The pandemic caused people to be out sick more often causing labor shortages. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. ), > * Cheyenne east: North Platte> * Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? Get the newest photos, videos, stories, and more from Trains.com brands. Something unheard of even 5 years ago, just before the bottom dropped out. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. Lowest Point : 456 ft @ Topock, AZ. "There's times I'll go a week without seeing my kids [for] more than 10 to 15 minutes just because it's such a brutal policy.". I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. The railroad has been one of the major economic drivers and employers for many of the Wyoming communities it passes through. Someone emailed this info to me. Approaches to the bridge had to stay under the ruling grade for the area of 1.4%. Alaska Railfanning / My ARR Photos on Flickr. Does anyone know where the crew change points are from Chicago all the way to Alliance Nebraska? Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. They can only work 12 hours by federal law. If you would like more information on any of the subjects contained in this section, please feel free to contact us. Also Portal, ND and Noyes, MN, but that is because thay are also Country change points(Canada/US border). It is interesting when you look at old ETT's. FORT WORTH, Texas - Capacity projects around three crew-change points on BNSF Railway's busy Southern Transcon will help the railroad gain operational flexibility on its key route linking Los Angeles and Chicago. Allan_Love_Jr, Aug 26, 2007 #1. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. Highlighting our commitment to safety, service, innovation, people, communities and our heritage. Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. It's not just bad news for workers. I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. Don't worry, we won't send you too many. Opposition is mounting among workers at freight railroad BNSF to a new points-based attendance policy which management has unilaterally implemented. Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? (Trains that continue to Ft Worth changenext at Childress but the Dalhart to Childress and Childressto Ft Worth segments are also over ambitious. There really are some Knowledgeable Fans out there. Crew change points on the old Santa Fe Transco Author: chicohogger. One of this year's projects was to add a fourth main through Amarillo, Texas. Amazing the mass of RR knowledge amongst the members of this forum. In Iowa, they started running Atkins, IA on the Council Bluffs main and Nahant (Davenport) on the KC line. One of my easterly buddies is coming to Colorado for some extensiverailfanning this spring. During April many coal mtys will govia Cheyenne to the Orin line while the tunnel west of Guernseyis being day lighted.