Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. It does, however, mean the Braves get an extra draft pick. This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. Jared Shuster, LHP 4. " . My point was that Soto would be worth at best $140M in excess value, he tried justifying the $200M by saying it was the premium for trading for a star. Cant see AA letting him leave and downgrading the roster when theyre so competitive at every other lineup spot except left field. Because he is a likely ROY finalist, if the Braves manipulated his service time all of that would remain exactly the same. $10M (2025) He will finish the year with exactly ONE FULL YEAR OF SERVICE!! And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. Kind of like the super 2 guys getting that fourth arb year. Also, Swanson played all 60 games in 2020 and he missed only 2 games total in the 21-22 seasons. The main difference is, Swanson still appears to be in his prime, while Baez was 2 seasons removed from it (and counting) as of the 2021-22 offseason, not to mention his catastrophic 2020 season, and leading the NL in Ks at the point he was dealt to the Mets and the attendant risks of that, plus his foolishness while on the Mets. Two east coast teams in ATL/PHI with two west coast teams in LAD/SD pretty much guarantees youre going to go in this order. With future commitments, he still has a lot to accomplish in his life. @MJ Youve omitted a year of Sotos arbitration. All of this assumes he basically pitches like this year (not a full season, but elite performance) going forward. Deferred payments and incentive clauses are not included. This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. This is their first long-term contract extension with a young pitcher. The 2029 option comes with a $5MM buyout, which is factored into the guaranteed portion of the contract. Thats only free agent contracts. $8M (2025) The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses. ~$9M (Super Two, Arb1) Golden struck out 276 in his rookie campaign. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. They help us to know which pages are the most and least popular and see how visitors move around the site. Winning is irrelevant. The Mets performance was more surprising than the Braves. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. 27. Itll be a long time before someone gets a deal over $35M/yr and 7-years long. Hes a big union guy. Thats the reverse logic he was trying to calculate for, but that doesnt make sense! My stupid destined to be wrong estimate is7 years @160 mill. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. Please logout and login again. They're projected to have a league-high $61.7 million in salary-cap space, . I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. $14M (2026) LOL Strider had it Right all along. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. $35 million is reasonable figure for FA. Strider will be a Super Two if he stays on the MLB roster all of next season, so that would have raised his prices in arbitration by a huge margin. If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players. The Braves paid him $75M. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. With Striders salaries now set through the 2028 season, the Braves, incredibly, already have $76MM on the books six years down the line. You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. You see the pieces that are already in place. Even if you think Strider will break arb records annually, they wouldnt have been absurdly expensive. Lets go Juan Soto. Harris, Strider, Riley, Ronald Acua Jr. and Olson are all signed through at least the 2028 season. It was that year I knew hed be a douchebag for being a Yankee bandwagoner in SoCal. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. Braves need to sign Fried. ITT: People who dont know what Super Two means. This website is not directly or indirectly affiliated, associated, or connected in any way to Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League or the National Hockey League. In a time in baseball when contact is of the least importance and shifts were used at an all-time high, why players refused to adjust to defensive alignments. Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. Its not a bargain. Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) The Braves announced a six-year contract extension for Rookie of the Year candidate Spencer Strider. Im curious what he wants. All six of those players are now under club control through at least the 2027 season, giving the Braves a level of continuity and cost certainty that is unparalleled throughout the league. Im sure a non-GM telling someone they dont have what it takes to be a GM, carries a lot of weight! Only long term deal we signed was lindor who is young in his prime. (101-61, 1st place in NL East). If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. You dont. They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Spencer Strider is still a rookie for the Atlanta Braves, but he has the potential to advance to the major leagues. Salary: All-Star: World Series: 2021 Atlanta Braves: 65--2022 Atlanta Braves: But it would certainly not be enough to be among the top 22 percent of players in that class (the lowest the Super Two cutoff has been since 2009 is 2 years and 115 days after 2019). He wasnt going any where for at least five years. Strider will absolutely get a raise from his last arbitration year, so even a modest raise means the Braves save $20 ++ million in those two seasons alone. Atlanta would have a franchise-record payroll in 2023 even if the only moves made by the front office were to simply tender arbitration contracts to their eligible players. I see it as a risk vs. 1 Freddie Freeman, 1B, LAD. Now ask him why he comments as Pads Fans and BaseballIsLife! To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. Cohen would give his first born to have Strider. Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. older demographic) are even able to do that? That is less than average, but in line with some long term deals for FA. Does he love ATL to the tune of forgoing, say, $50 million? Ugh. Sure, its risky, but theyve gotten some historic numbers in a rookie season already from Strider. Essentially they trade the risk that he gets hurt and produces nothing in one or more years for the free first free agent year, and the discounted second free agent year assuming hes healthy. For someone like me who can only watch my team on national broadcasts due to the unavailability of my teams cable channel at a decent price, getting to watch them on TV (instead of settling for the radio like usual) a few extra times a season thanks to the Apple deal is great. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. And it becomes contagious in the clubhouse imo. The league-average, for reference, is 29 percent. Strider took the mound to start . If youre a Tigers fan, you probably should hope Baez opts out after 2023. The lot of before money is hopeful at best. Cant see that happening. I dont think you know what straw man means. Anyone who can sign up to a website and verify a second factor of authorization can do it. Seems like a good deal for both sides. Its not their young pitching, its pitching in general. You need to check your info. MLB, Minor, College and summer league baseball stats along with biography, draft info, salary,transactions, awards and more! They potentially saved a lot of money. Swanson only played 38 games in his debut season in 2016. This was risky to me as well. I mean I wouldnt even extend a player if they are going to get 85% or more of their contract by going year to year. Now if the Braves had Kris Bryanted Strider he would have finished 2024 with just under 3 years of service time and would have been a Super Two that offseason, not the 23-24 offseason. Also just stick to one account Pads Fans. Which is probably why they didnt. 2/100m? Scherzer isnt aging crap but it was one bad Wild Card game plus losing that pivotal start vs. ATL (he gave up 6 HR in his final 2 starts (inc. WC game) when he gave up only 13 HR all reg season). It was a tough choice passing on the Yankees, but he wanted to experience college. Lets say Strider goes to every All-Star game for the next 6 years, wins two Cy Young awards, finishes top 10 every other season, and avoids injury. The dudes who write for this site were linking Cole to the Angels. I will let you do the math. Now you all getting upset because Harvey was better then Strider at his stage of his career. Braves have got it going on. Hes not 65 and 230 lbs. The Marlins are one of the furthest teams from elite in the MLB. Then blew it against the Braves and then against the Pads. Julio Rodriguez still gets money for finishing 2nd in the HR Derby, gets money for being an All-Star, more money for being the Rookie of the Year, more money for probably winning a Silver Slugger, and then more money based on how much of the total rookie WAR was made up of his nearly 5.5 to 6 WAR season (they have their own calculator for WAR that is not exactly like fWAR or bWAR). One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams Spencer Strider- Birth, Age, Ethnicity, Siblings, Education Injuries are 75% covered by insurance As much as the Acuna and Albies deals were highway robbery they still havent been good cause theyve been hurt or half what they were. Many thanks to him. Acuna contract was great. Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. There is nothing historically to say that even if they were absurdly expensive compared to other pitchers that it would even match what he was promised. 3rd year $25.5 mm, and Every Sports Reference Social Media Account, Site Last Updated: Saturday, March 4, 12:52AM. And him being top 2 in the ROY balloting has no bearing on his service time because the Braves never tried to manipulate it. Paying for velo in todays game where everyone throws hard, is like paying $25M/year for Kiermaier to win GGs in CF. us. Spencer Strider only appeared in one game for the Braves last season and was not very well-known around the league. So he still would not have been a Super Two. Think hell get significantly longer offers than 3 years Sid. Thank god, the contract was signed today based on his performance this year. So the only time he could qualify for Super 2 status is after 2023. Id be shocked if Strider made more than $45 mil over the next 5 years in total if we let this all play out. Thank_ God: The correct sentence structure you should have put is.. Try used instead of put. Elude.? They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. 33. There certainly wasnt a universal belief the Mets would win the division since the Mets only was 77 games the prior season. Im pretty sure these always lean more favorably to position players. Playoff team extra year. Spencer Strider is currently the starting pitcher position for the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league of the United States. Baseball will become a joke as far as competition is concerned. Career earnings will be less than $20M for his first full 5 seasons in the majors. Wouldve been a massive overpay. in Columbus, OH The league would never agree to that. Copyright 2000-2023 Sports Reference LLC. Do they really think someone is going to go subscribe to Apple TV (one of The Worst of the streamers) just to watch? He made his MLB debut in 2021. and injuries. This deal will be the one people talk about for 10-20 years as the contract that forced bidding wars for starting pitchers. If Striders arb awards are similar, the Braves are then getting his 2 FA years for 26m, total, without having to buy a long deal including Striders decline. They even got an opt out in the form of a cheap buyout if he crashes prior to his last year the Braves control. Overall, Strider broke out with 131 2/3 innings of 2.67 ERA ball and a 38.3% strikeout rate that paced all big leaguers who pitched at least 100 innings. There were talks mentioned in August and no deal was done. Thing is Baez/Story both have been more consistent with their bats (even Baez, lol), while providing defensive value. First, he wouldnt qualify for Super 2 if hes 2nd in NL ROY voting. Au contraire it is you who needs to check their info. Olson, Riley, Harris, and Strider are all reasonable balances between risk and reward for both the players and the team. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. People dont seem to understand just how good Striders peripherals are. Btw, Max Fried and Kyle Wright arent garbage. Swansons best year is his contract year, and even then its only a 115 OPS+ (when 100 is league average). They will have their hands full if they get past the Phillies in the NLDS. Spencer Strider is on Instagram at spencerstrider. Spencer Strider baseball stats with batting stats, pitching stats and fielding stats, along with uniform numbers, salaries, quotes, career stats and biographical data presented by Baseball Almanac. 2w Edited He is doing well in his personal life as well. Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? If not for an extension, Strider would have made the league minimum in 2023 and 2024, been Arb 1 eligible in 2025, Arb 2 eligible in 2026, Arb 3 eligible in 2027 and a free agent after 2027. You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. Most of his miscalculations are trigger happy overreactions to common slumps and overvaluing prime players, because he doesnt realize the extra value hes trying to quantify is the consistency they bring in being a star player. Disagree on my mets. If we remove his first-full season clunker in 2017 and fold in 2022, hes still only at a league-average 100. You dont need to extend Grissom. the only reason they have been able to sign this massive core of players is because theyre taking risks and signing them very early. Injuries and regression could always push any of these extensions from bargain to burden particularly in the later stages of the deals, when the salaries are come with more heft. It doesnt benefit both parties, Alex A. is a moron that has signed so many extensions that even with all the great deals he got done, the average $$$ is pushing $180M after only 15 of the contracts. Id lose my crap if Seattle paid Kirby that much and he may have the best control since Greg Maddux with Smoltz level velo. . The Yankees seem to be possibly the least fan-friendly franchise in baseball. 2 things: No its not at all about that. Why pay him more than the ML minimum hes going to get next season (if he even makes the ML roster)? If i was om shark tank and im Mark cuban right now im clapping! The Phillies are a bunch of try-hards. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. Strider finished with a 11-5 record, 2.62 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP through 31 games. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). They are paying the suite price and hoping that they save the 10% fee for buying it at the window. Partnered with the USA TODAY Sports Media Group|Powered by, Signed a 6 year $75 million contract extension with Atlanta (ATL), including a club option for 2029, Signed a 1 year $710,000 contract with Atlanta (ATL), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126 overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062 overall), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062overall). Read the article, be not thought of as a moron or an imbecile who is led by his ignorance and unwillingness to gain knowledge, which should be pursued despite the clear lack of capacity for you to store in in your brain! Strider is represented by Frontline. Disclamer: the number about Spencer Strider's Instagram salary income and Spencer Strider's Instagram net worth are just estimation based on publicly available information about Instagram's monetization programs, it is by no . Players use that as a bargaining tactic all the time. @Pads Fans Interesting point. year in year out its the same and those dudes post and produce. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. Of course, thats certainly not all the Braves will do this winter. This is why Swanson will end up in LAD replacing Trea Turner, while theyll save 80-100M, reuniting Swansong with Freeman, and more importantly, Charlie. 5-to-1 Strider has TJ surgery again in the next 5 years. Its a league funded thing that every team will chip into $1.66 mil regardless. somewhere in the 100-115 range over 6 years. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. Strider has two pitches. Yeah, if he ends up being average, its definitely an overpay. Since Strider got a full year already based on service time it has no bearing here. Obviously there are others, but these two usually seem to have reasonable and unbiased thoughts on their rivals. The annoying part is we are charged a fee as part of our cable packages to get YES, but more games this year have been splintered off to Prime, Apple and Peacock. He wouldve made around $1M per pre-arbitration year in 23 and 24, anyway. A contract representing mutual respect is a good thing. Spencer Strider was born in Columbus, OH. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. Love to see it for the player, team and the fan base. They are off on a lot of things, feel free too look me up, the site owner hates me for calling him out. Most of the professional commentators (fwiw) picked the Braves on the basis that the Mets had yet to unthrone the kings. Now that theyre going against the Yankees, Cleveland has prime time. I finally cut the cord and were saving thousands every year. Exceeded rookie limits during 2022 season, 2023 Contract Status: Union before player, always. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance He will receive an extra year of service time for that. Striders dominance has positioned him as one of the two favorites for National League Rookie of the Year honors, as he and teammate Harris are widely viewed as the presumptive first- and second-place finishers in an extremely strong year for rookies (both in the NL and in MLB as a whole). Strider, 24 later this month, will earn $1MM both in 2023 and 2024. And Patrick Corbin with the Yankees. The remaining $20-25M will be shared with the rest of the guys who arent arb. They signed scherzer only to make a run this and set an example for winning and pitching which he did. The Prime games are not really an inconvenience since I have Prime. Its an expensive extension by prior standards, but as I noted in the finalized version of our breakdown, the prior standards were beyond antiquated. . He easily would have been a Super 2 as well. The earliest Strider could have been arb eligible was after 2024. Shewmake is about ready though and they could sign a veteran cheap to platoon with him or just keep Dansby and use Shewmake as trade bait. Great job by signing Strider to an extension. The Red Sox had the opportunity to do so with Betts, Bogaerts, and Devers a few years ago and blew the opportunity. And because they extended him it wont matter even if they DO send him down. Im confident youve been subjected to it countless times. I see little comparison between Strider and Harvey. I know the first few years here are cheap, but still . Degrom was 29 in his first arbitration year coming off a season no where near as dominant as Strider. He started the season in Atlanta. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. Strider broke the record for fastest to 200 strikeouts in a single season, doing so in 130 innings, two-thirds of an inning quicker than Hall of Famer Randy Johnson in 2001. By the way, dont tell me what to I can or cant link to for reference, furthermore, people dont rewrite the same theories every year!