It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. Hell is running over, with the evilness of mans inhumanity to their fellow men, women and children. They can still go back to Ireland and see where they came from and even meet distant cousins. Ever wonder why those hillbillies talk funny? Also, what is the point if making a caste system of victims. Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. A brief history the movements of Celts across Europe. Scottish poet and lyricist Robbie Burns is one of the most well-known people called Burns. They are the dregs of the white race. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? These include Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and Anglo-Irish last names. There is truth in what you say. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. The slaves that came over from Ireland where already black. Until then, Africans were primarily indentured servants, just like the Irish and other white immigrants to the New World. They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. How do prisoners spend their time? go and read about cromwell in ireland. Last name: Duffy. Now is it Irish or Scottish. Some of the most common Irish last names are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic), Kelly ( Ceallaigh in Gaelic), OSullivan ( Silleabhin in Gaelic), and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). They changed things to cover up the greed, it is that cover up that is racism today. So you hate redneck irish americans? the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. You changed that right now!!!! 3. There were Irish owners. Unlike the African slaves, the Irish were physically indistinguishable from the English. 7. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. What Im saying is that youre complete idiot.) My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. They can reveal locations or even a familys trade, such as a fisherman, for example. Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland, is one of the most well-known Irish Robinsons. There is a new drive by whites all over Europe and the UK, stating that they are the real Jews or lost tribes. For example, Barack Obama has Irish ancestors on his white mothers side. Yet, let me put it this way, why does it seem like every black person wants to deny irish history? Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. I think it was disingenuous to tell their story by minimizing the horrors experienced by African slaves. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html. Its a human one! African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. This is not about which was treated worse, seems like a game your all going on about, This is about the systematic destruction of nations by the British in these times, i hear noone talking about how ruteless and horrific the British were, they make the Nazis look like Saints. This is not a race issue! I dont expect people to spot the difference between the Scottish Planters who shared Gaelic names and were approved to move into Ireland and take the land to quell the natives. I think there is lots of information here that people should know about. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. It is widely believed that the Norman invaders of Ireland are who is commonly referred to as the black Irish. Blacks who have Irish last names got them from their IRISH slave owners. It is also fascinating to see that American society changed its caste system from strictly class based to skin based in just a couple of centuries. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . Keir. In fact, O'Dubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname O'Doyle. Amazing people. On this issue, as often happens, the ignorant aspirants to house nigguh status are still carrying water for the masters. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Who were the black Irish? I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. One of the most notable people with the surname Dunne is Irish entrepreneur and former director of Dunnes Stores Ben Dunne. Irish toponymic surnames, deriving from a place where the original name bearer once lived, are rare. The only major distinction was that these slaves were not being exported outside of their continent likened unto cargo as they were in the African Slave trade. Stick to your own life, quit looking for your next cause celeb. The Irish were indentured servants, similar to Africans in the 1600s. Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. Unless you dont feel theres any systematic oppression, which if you take some time studying the oppression of Catholics in Ireland youd understand. Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. What utter pointless nonsense is this!? And to recognise that slowly humanity is discovering the idea of liberty, equality, human rights. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. There are still people living under those conditions, especially in AfricaSierra Leone, for example. Dunne 28. There WERE absentee Irish SLAVEOWNERS. Indeed, they legitimately had reasons for their grievances too. I never learned the whole story of how though unrelated, both husbands had the same Irish surname. This country was built on slavery of Asians, Indians, and Africans followed by the systematic oppression of those people by the English and Dutch. Racism is one of many mechanisms designed to keep people divided and oppressed, and it only serves to further the interest of evil people. This explains why many of my DNA ancestors carry Mitochondrial European DNA and such high percentages. This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. Is not because of Irish slave owners, no erase that foolishnessdont think Gone With The Wind and the OHara plantation. If youd like to learn more about my opinions on indentured servants Ive provided some explanation and sources on this tread in several replies too. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. The surname may be your first clue to mixed-blood heritage. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! Or was it an indirect outcome of the permition of owning slaves? Very interesting. And he made a profit out of it. Share your favorite stories with other history buffs in the IrishCentral History Facebook group. are streets are a lot safer for kids to grow up thats a fact gangs of kids running about with guns you wont get that hear unless its the paramilatarys, I agree with people that dont want to be called African american, who were never born in Africa, I refuse to be called black because my skin is brown, I believe the calling of our race black is to degrade us because there is belief that whomever picked the name of the brown indigenous people from Africa named the race black because it was the most negative color, many of the Irish expelled to the New World were Black Irish. and that has not changed. And a minority of slave owners were also black. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. What is NOT true is the absurd Idea that slavers bread African Slaves with Irish women to create more profitable slaves. Slavery in any format is wrong. This then started a huge trade as the US opened up as a new world demanding labour. If we were going Per capita I would 100 percent say yes!!! By the time we reach the 1600s the non roman Europeans have been assimilated into a romanic style world where most are commonly white (although this seemed to exclude the irish who were treated very badly and if they werent forced into servitude died of starvation or spent their lives as serfs). Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. Father indentured from Ireland mother African slave. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. Another part of history that is not covered in our history books. Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN This was brought about by many different factors and not just slavery as most people seem to think. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? and; Also, this foolish comparison fails to acknowledge the differences between indentured servitude and real slavery. Thats what I was going to ask. Children sent north. Communicating with an African would have been a completely different matter, and names would have been unpronounceable and incomprehensible to any white slave owner. THe Irish slavery myth is a white supremacists push back against the very real phenomenon of southern slavery. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. I met this white Irish woman she said we were labeled as the mean black Irish. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Thank you. Interesting read on the landowners and the British rule in Ireland. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. Nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. The Scottish Picts and Celts certainly had darker skins than the invading Anglo-Saxons who may have given them that nickname. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. Excellent article, sadly but all true. Some would conquer their enemies to gain power, land, wealth and additional wealth by selling their slaves to slave traders. Learn more. I reject this and say that the skin color labels are themselves, at best, a statement of a bigot. Famous ONeills include Eugene ONeill, who was the only American playwright to ever receive the Nobel Prize for Literature. Well my last name is carmickle. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. The intention of this was to divulge their cultural stance and tell of their intentions to bring force and darkness upon Ireland. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. All Caucasians are Edomites. What is there for any of you to gain by denying the atrocity of the abuse of the Irish? Leo Whelan was an acclaimed Irish portrait painter. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. #DoesntAddUp. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. In part, bigotry came into play in order to ease the conciseness of individuals who partook of the benefits of slavery. Gaelic would not have been understood any more than African languages in the new world. And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the masters free workforce. I am African American and my last name is Mclilly. Irish was not even a nationality at the time Catholic hovel living tenant farmers who couldnt vote, couldnt hold office, were taxed for their religious beliefs, couldnt pass the land to their children, couldnt learn in Catholic schools, had their language officially prohibited, subsisted on the potato, and were largely ignored when they were starving to death by their ruling government (Britain), evicted from their homes, sent off to die in the workhouses of Ireland, women shipped out in the scheme of assisted emigration, did I forget something? With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/who-were-the-black-irish-92376439-237784721.html. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. Adam and Eves bloodline was where JESUS came through, if people only knew this all this hatred for each other skin color would not exist. So, in a nutshell, after killing millions in an engineered genocide in Ireland, the ruling class developed a conscience suddenly and Irish people got full human status in Antigua? I wonder if the Irish will be told to get over it already the same way African Americans and Canadians are told. What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. Banishment did not solve the problem completely, so King James , the second gave his blessing and encouragement to the selling off of Irish men and women as slaves to the English planters who at this time were becoming entrenched and very rich.
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